500+ bhp MKIV R32 - R32OC

idivuoma · 5th August 2009, 03:11 PM

I want a fast car, but no Veyrons or Ferraris.

I'm thinkin about pumpin the engine of a MKIV R32.
For 2 reasons:
1. It's a VW
2. You guys at the r32oc.com could help me alot

Question nr 1:
What amount of money am I looking at (except buying me a used R32)?

Question nr 2:
How well does the engine work after pumping it full with fuelcomsuming things?

Question nr 3:
Who owns the fastest and best working R32 here?

Jai · 04:05 PM

£10k+ for lower than 500BHP including base car, not including other mods. It jumps a lot further for 500+ as far as I know and read.

http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/cate...-v6-turbo-kits

The engines are reported to actually run better. Few choices but the turbo boys will be along soon and explain!

amster · 5th August 2009, 04:55 PM

500 +
thats will cost you more than 10 k
okay 10 k without some importend things
breakes
clutch
gearbox
haldex
suspension
And more

Toffs · 5th August 2009, 06:33 PM

Aim for 450 bhp - 500 is just inside the problem area (as in, need to replace lots of things to keep it reliable, therefore cost is much higher).

amster · 5th August 2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Toffs

Aim for 450 bhp - 500 is just inside the problem area (as in, need to replace lots of things to keep it reliable, therefore cost is much higher).

True,,
430-450.
will be allot cheeper,
But clutch and breakes will make the car more trustfull....
cheers
Amster...

Dazm · 5th August 2009, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idivuoma

I want a fast car, but no Veyrons or Ferraris.

I'm thinkin about pumpin the engine of a MKIV R32.
For 2 reasons:
1. It's a VW
2. You guys at the r32oc.com could help me alot

Question nr 1:
What amount of money am I looking at (except buying me a used R32)?

Question nr 2:
How well does the engine work after pumping it full with fuelcomsuming things?

Question nr 3:
Who owns the fastest and best working R32 here?

Why don't you supercharge your Mk5? Mines currently at 470bhp with standard internals & gearbox / clutch-if you want 500+bhp you'll probably need £15k+ as a start on either MK4 & MK5......

pomme · 5th August 2009, 07:53 PM

Okay from what i have found out and experienced:

1 - Engine internals - it all depends how the car is mapped and how aggresive the boost comes in. A more linear power line and input you should be fine up to 500/550. If you like the more turbo feel, ie kick int he back, then i would say 450 is the most you would want to run, but this depends on the turbo and boost level.

2 - Gearbox - depends like above really btu i think once you go past 500/550 you start to have problems, but also depends how you drive ALOT.

3 - Clutch - i would say stock clutch will take 360/370 for a little while on a turbo but again bepends ont eh above. As for example i put in the same clutch that people run with the HGP 460 an have used it fine for over a year, but i blew that clutch in less then two weeks.

Suspension and brakes a must if not i woudl def pay you life insurance.

As from above i would say it all depends on how the car will be mapped and how linear the power input is.

As for your above question i cant comment on cost as you are in sweden so parts may be alot lot more expensive or alot cheaper???

Out of interest Dazm what torque is your car running (not trying to start a turbo vs charger thread).

Dazm · 5th August 2009, 08:05 PM

Hi Andy-at 450bhp it was 380 torque, not sure of the exact figure currently though-but it feels gd

pomme · 5th August 2009, 08:06 PM

cool thats really good for a charger. i def have to have a ride in your car at some point. you going to go down to the southern kk meet?

Dazm · 5th August 2009, 08:20 PM

Possibly mate just that its 300+ miles round trip, if your ever up North get in touch though

pomme · 5th August 2009, 08:24 PM

Lol come on thats not a excuse. Its over that for me, ie 175 mile each way and its meant to be a southern meet lol.

Mattchaps · 5th August 2009, 09:26 PM

upto 500 bhp should be ok mate, but as mentioned above you'll need to uprate more than just the engine.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pomme

Lol come on thats not a excuse. Its over that for me, ie 175 mile each way and its meant to be a southern meet lol.

Same here mate!!! 173.8 mi, 2 hr 34 min each way for me!

Come on Daz, no excuses... and it'll be well worth it!

Dazm · 5th August 2009, 10:35 PM

Haha I'll see what I can do guys , no excuse really- Least we could compare fuel costs!!

Is there any Northerners going Matt-know Sie is going but hes in Yorkshire & takes a different route........

idivuoma · 6th August 2009, 12:12 AM

alot of replies, and alot to think about. Thanks for the help guys

First, I would like a turbo on my MKV.. but it'll probably make the car unsellable in the future. But not if I put a VAG approved turbo under the bonnet, which is a bit more expensive than others.

My plan is actually to keep my MKV, and have a supercharged MKIV on the lot.

Only thing to do now is to start count money, maybe collect some at the church or do a charity-rally for "better" causes.

Looked at the JBS turbos, but they are only for RHD cars. Any sites with LHD turbos?

Paulie · 6th August 2009, 12:22 AM

HGP which are a bit more expensive are built for LHD and are TUV approved in Germany

idivuoma · 6th August 2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by paulie

hgp which are a bit more expensive are built for lhd and are tuv approved in germany

TUV? sorry, I'm still a noob in motors

Paulie · 6th August 2009, 12:27 AM

TUV Approval is an EEC rating and required by all manufacturers of vehicles for cars and motor products.

In Germany these same standards apply to the sale of after-market parts, while in the UK so far they do not.

While TUV approval is not compulsory in the UK, it does indicate a level of quality which is not usually met by aftermarket automotive products in the UK.

In many countries, including Germany, it is necessary to register with the relevant authority, similar to a MOT test in the UK.

Only TUV parts certification allows for the legal use of your tuning system in German registered vehicles, as well as the receipt of necessary insurance cover.

idivuoma · 6th August 2009, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulie

TUV Approval is an EEC rating and required by all manufacturers of vehicles for cars and motor products.

In Germany these same standards apply to the sale of after-market parts, while in the UK so far they do not.

While TUV approval is not compulsory in the UK, it does indicate a level of quality which is not usually met by aftermarket automotive products in the UK.

In many countries, including Germany, it is necessary to register with the relevant authority, similar to a MOT test in the UK.

Only TUV parts certification allows for the legal use of your tuning system in German registered vehicles, as well as the receipt of necessary insurance cover.

Ah ok, so it's some kind of a must on carparts if they're goin under the bonnet.
The thing Im worried about is the motorinsurance, which will be torn to pieces by the insurancecompany as soon as I switch a VAG screw for a non-VAG on the batterycover.. or something like that. And as soon as I put a turbo under the bonnet, it won't have a motorinsurance for the rest of its days.
That's why I like the idea of VAG turbos, but I hate the pricetag on them.

Paulie · 6th August 2009, 12:41 AM

Do you not have modified car insurance in Sweden then?Here in the UK we do...it makes it a bit more expensive but it is possible.

idivuoma · 6th August 2009, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulie

Do you not have modified car insurance in Sweden then?Here in the UK we do...it makes it a bit more expensive but it is possible.

Never heard of it, but there probably is some kind of insurance. I'll have to check it out.

mcz · 6th August 2009, 09:26 AM

idivuoma, we don't have any modified car insurances in Sweden that I know of.
If you are seriously interested in supercharging your MKV I might have a great deal for you

There are currently one MKV R32 running with the C2 Stage 2 Turbokit in Sweden, and I have made some extensive research regarding turboconverting R32 engine. In a couple of weeks it will be a Stage 3, he is currently waiting for the fuel pump kit.

If you have any questions, shoot me a PM!

idivuoma · 6th August 2009, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcz

idivuoma, we don't have any modified car insurances in Sweden that I know of.
If you are seriously interested in supercharging your MKV I might have a great deal for you

There are currently one MKV R32 running with the C2 Stage 2 Turbokit in Sweden, and I have made some extensive research regarding turboconverting R32 engine. In a couple of weeks it will be a Stage 3, he is currently waiting for the fuel pump kit.

If you have any questions, shoot me a PM!

ah ok, thought so.
How come the C2's 430hp turbo is half the price of a 405hp HGP turbo?

Im still not sure of a turbo in my MKV, that's why I want to do it with a MKIV. Or I'll at least wait until next summer when my warranty runs out.

How is your engine-upgrade doin?

Paulie · 6th August 2009, 11:51 AM

If you cannot get modified car insurance what do you do in Sweden...just drive around without any insurance at all?Is it not a legal requirement to have car insurance?
If not what happens if you have an accident...who pays for the damage...and what about if some one is hurt...can they claim compensation at all?

idivuoma · 6th August 2009, 11:57 AM

yeh we have insurance, but it's the engine-insurance we're talking about. My current engine insurance covers any engine or transmission damage up to 120000 km.
Engineinsurance is only a part of the car-insurance, and that's the only part that will be ineffective as soon as the engine is modded with non-VAG stuff.
The rest of the insurance will not be affected by modding

pomme · 6th August 2009, 12:01 PM

Ahh okay your insurance over there is very different from over here. As it sounds like your insurance is also a bit like a warranty - ie if the engine goes wrong they fix it. Sounds pretty good to me.

No matter what turbo/supercharger you put on, it will void that insurance i am sure as there is no vw option for it, unless they accept the hgp one which is tuv approved.

That would be my first step, ie ring your insurance and see if the insurance on the engine will still be valid with a tuv approved turbo?