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Earlier tonight on a private road I creamed a mk2 focus st off the lights, and I had a terrible start (wasn't looking at the lights when they changed!) yet Thursday night I had a right struggle keeping up with a diesel seat altea! He made me look a right fool! Reckon they should start making diesel hot hatches!
 

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NuttyR32 said:
Earlier tonight on a private road I creamed a mk2 focus st off the lights, and I had a terrible start (wasn't looking at the lights when they changed!) yet Thursday night I had a right struggle keeping up with a diesel seat altea! He made me look a right fool! Reckon they should start making diesel hot hatches!
It also depends on the driver as well ;-)

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Reckon they should start making diesel hot hatches!
They sort of do with the Skoda Fabia MK1 VRs and the Golf GTD.

It's a lot to do with the torque.

Although surprised it beat you off the line as diesels struggle off the line due to all that torque going through the front wheels. In gear acceleration is where the modern diesel excels.
 

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It's more than likely been mapped. My mate had a Seat diesel, had it mapped and it was rapid. Relatively big gains in torque and bhp are made.
 

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Yeh my other car is a Octavia Vrs which is a diesel with a remapp and trust me they are quick my R struggles at times.
 

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Yeah my bro had a Ibiza cupra tdi before is vxr and he used to stay with me untill about 65 then id gradually leave him when I drove it, it felt like a rocket ship when the turbo had kicked in , like thats been said before its the torque not the bhp.
 

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As someone once said in a variation of the "Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity" statement;

"Power is vanity, torque is sanity"
 

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Torque moves the car, power keeps it going.

Diesels can't live with high rev cars like M3s and Type Rs. Diesels only have a narrow window of oppurtunity in the 30-70 midrange grunt area, and then the Ms and Type Rs are heading for the horizon. It's why all these Essex white 2.0 Audi diesel shirt button reps think they are Jensen Buttons (see what I did there? lol) with their tiny little torque bands...."Yeah I kept up with an M3 this morning". Sure you did. In the queue of traffic, yep. When the traffic cleared, did you still keep with the M3? Of course you didn't.

Best diesels I've been in were a 535d and an A7 3.0 TDI sportback but they're still no match for an M3.

I've not had any problems beating diesels off with a stick in my R32. Just have to keep the revs up
 

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I think 335/535ds can map to 350hp and 500lbft but bear in mind all of that ooomph is completely gone by 5000rpm. At that point, the M3 still has a flat torque curve that's held to 8000rpm. See ya later diesel.
 

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Is it on a track or 'private road'? Dual clutch diesel? (they sync the gearchanges to peak torque).

It's all specualtion of course as I've never raced a 535d against an M3
I just remember being in the 535d and thinking "F me this is fast" and then thinking the torque was all over as quickly as it arrived!

For commuting, the 335d would be the perfect choice. Punchier in the midrange and more economical. For weekend blasts, it would be the M3 as there's more to it than just the engine.
 
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