[Adamcell88]

Morning, I'm going to be looking at getting another mk5 in the next few months and thought I would ask a few questions about the dsg. My previous mk5 was a manual and I loved it, I didn't even think about getting a dsg at the time but now I quite fancy one even though I haven't tried it yet but hopefully will be at the weekend. Anyway I was just wandering what it's like on a daily basis? I've read a few horror stories about them but are they just the odd story. Also I'm planning on goin for a supercharger in the future, which would be best for going FI manual or dsg? Thanks in advance

 

[Ev-Juice]

Try this previous post.

http://www.r32oc.com/topic/51825-dsg-vs-manual-in-relation-to-speed/page__hl__%2Bdsg+%2Bmanual

 

[Adamcell88]

Thanks

 

[newAmster]

Morning, I'm going to be looking at getting another mk5 in the next few months and thought I would ask a few questions about the dsg. My previous mk5 was a manual and I loved it, I didn't even think about getting a dsg at the time but now I quite fancy one even though I haven't tried it yet but hopefully will be at the weekend. Anyway I was just wandering what it's like on a daily basis? I've read a few horror stories about them but are they just the odd story. Also I'm planning on goin for a supercharger in the future, which would be best for going FI manual or dsg? Thanks in advance

hi

just dont for get that dsg is a newish thing
the dsg in a mk5r is version 2 compare it with windows 98
it have many weak points and beginner sicknes
i think most mk5 dsg have faulty dsg gearboxes

and bye a 2end hand dsg is not without risk
vw they dont have much nollage about the dsg box
and cant repair it them self
it can be a expensive joke to go to vw

dont get me wrong,, i love the dsg in teori ( just hate the clicks and sound there some times is when shifting gears And know that it not is supose to say those sounds,,,, yes i have good hearing and drive always with open window )
i have 3 R cars with dsg my self atm 4 5 6

2 times have a dsg gearbox got replaced on my cars

just something to think about..
cheers
A

 

[Adamcell88]

hi

just dont for get that dsg is a newish thing
the dsg in a mk5r is version 2 compare it with windows 98
it have many weak points and beginner sicknes
i think most mk5 dsg have faulty dsg gearboxes

and bye a 2end hand dsg is not without risk
vw they dont have much nollage about the dsg box
and cant repair it them self
it can be a expensive joke to go to vw

dont get me wrong,, i love the dsg in teori ( just hate the clicks and sound there some times is when shifting gears And know that it not is supose to say those sounds,,,, yes i have good hearing and drive always with open window )
i have 3 R cars with dsg my self atm 4 5 6

2 times have a dsg gearbox got replaced on my cars

just something to think about..
cheers
A

Thanks a lot for you in put I will have to have a drive of one first and see if its worth the risk that it may cost me in the future.

 

[Danxr46]

They are not at all that bad as people make out nobly people really without one. Dsg is good but may likely feel like you have no involvement with driving the car that's all. They don't often go wrong at all either but a bit expensive when do but like I say. Don't let It put you off one bit as vw do fix if necessary and they do know about them lol.

 

[cuprabob]

Best thing to do is to take one for an extended drive and see what you think.

To get the best out of it, you do need to change your driving style slightly and it does have the odd quirk that you soon get used to.

I think the DSG suits the engine and is a joy to drive.

As with most technical issues, the internet can exaggerate the negatives but I can only speak of my own experience and had no issues with the DSG in 5 years / 84k miles.

The most common failure is the mechatronic unit which is expensive but 3rd party companies are now refurbishing them at more reasonable prices.

The key thing is that the DSG oil and filter are replaced at least every 40k miles.

 

[CorradoR32]

I think the DSG suits the engine and is a joy to drive.

Completely agree with that. Driven my mate's DSG MK5 and imo, the R's throttle response is better suited to it than the manual box.

For me though, as a daily car, I prefer the familiarity and reliability of the manual box. DSG is still a bit of a novelty at the moment and I want to see at least 10 years of development / bug fixing behind it before I take the plunge.

 

[Paul_N]

The DSG is the one thing I really miss from the R32, have gone back to a manual and its just not as sporty in my opinion. When you get used to the DSG its awesome but it does take a little while.

Paul

 

[newAmster]

They are not at all that bad as people make out nobly people really without one. Dsg is good but may likely feel like you have no involvement with driving the car that's all. They don't often go wrong at all either but a bit expensive when do but like I say. Don't let It put you off one bit as vw do fix if necessary and they do know about them lol.

sorry to say
but i dont think you have much experince with problemized dsg and vw...
actely do they not fix dsg themself , but they send the dsg away to other company
vw olly do the service on the dsg box..

I love the dsg , and as said i have 3 cars with dsg

but it is fine mecanic and there is to many parts inside
And trust me , there is many weak points
anyway i just got a new dsg driven car
so again i love the feeling from dsg so smooth..

i had it replaced twice on my mk4R ( once under warenty from vw , And they actely dittend had a clue , they had to record the sound and send the tape to wolksburg headquater in germany )
and on my mk5R with 110.000 km driven , is it also soon time to change the dsgbox

around 6500 euro ( included new flywheels )

ohh forgot to say i had also the

thats not a joke , on a 7 years old car
can be done much cheaper with a 2end hand dsg gearbox
but also a bit risky..
cheers
A

 

[newAmster]

ohhh
forgot to say i had the mechatronic unit changed once
And yes it was also expensivt , think it was around 2000 euro but not sure , dont remember anymore
it was one of those things that you best want to forget..
burning money... hate it

 

[newAmster]

start the car with cold
motor to drive a few meters and then forward
stop and to
r
to turn on.
d
it must process smoothly
and without any noise.

"Turn on radio and air brake completely and then tightly.
Do you hear a click at 20 to 30 km / h then the synchroniser
the first or second gear worn.
d
he is not fast
piece, but the sound is getting louder. "
e
n tip number
two reads: "
a
ls once the engine is hot, stop,
open your window and turn off the engine. Do you hear that
time a rattling noise that sounds like old iron
an empty paint can, then the flywheel is coming up.

cheers
A

 

[Adamcell88]

Well il be having a good go with the dsg at the weekend as my mates just put a deposit down on a passat R36 and picking it up at the weekend. Can't wait to have a go in that

 

[richard_nottm]

No DSG issues in 70k and its one if the best things about the car IMO.

 

[newAmster]

watch out with the gearbox , mate my mate bought the toureg v10 dsg and had to replace gearbox and flywheels and few other bits
price 12.000 euro for replace

forgot to say that my mk4 r is build with a gearbox from a passat R36 and the engine is also a r36,
just a little tuned ,, he he he

the 7 gears dsg box is better many les problems

 

[cuprabob]

the 7 gears dsg box is better many les problems

The 7 speed is a dry clutch gearbox but it's not without it's issues, if some of my colleagues on the Scirocco forums are to be believed.

 

[Dazm]

If your seriously planning on going FI stick to a manual box................much easier and cheaper to uprate if you need to, also the MK5 manual box is suprsingly strong if your mappings right.

Ran nearly 500bhp for 5 years & 20,000 miles on my MK5 Rotrex, with the standard clutch & gearbox

A DSG box will go wrong at some point in its life, I've known ex members DSG R's to be faultless for years then need 3 mechantronic units shortly after..................................

 

[newAmster]

The 7 speed is a dry clutch gearbox but it's not without it's issurs, if some of my colleagues on the Scirocco forums are to be believed.

i must admit i have no experince with 7 gear dsgbox

but have that information from diffrent corners and not personal experince , like i have with mk4 mk5 mk6 dsg gearboxex
But one of the corners is from a dsg doctor that i know personaly
he do actely most of the cars with dsg problems from volkswagon them self , fixing them and replacing if needed..

trust me it is not a small garage and you will see many vw famely dsg cars there in getting fixed ( offcurse not international only 1 country )
if you ask him
he loves dsg gearboxex
makes him rich..

it is like a pc there have small bugs
it runs good but get worser with the time

 

[cuprabob]

To be honest most of the issues I've read about were soon after it was released so may have just been teething problems.

As with any new product, especially one so complex. best to keep away from the early ones until the majority of issues have been identified and corrective action put in place either by VW or BorgWarner.

 

[Adamcell88]

Well I had a drive of my mates passat R36 tonight and what a beast it is, love the Dsg and its made my mind up to get one with Dsg in the next few month
A couple of pics of the R36 and my brothers mk4 R32 (sorry about the poor quality)