[Mrosd]

I've only ever test driven dsg r32's and my old man as some may know has an a5 stronic. However how much slow is a r32 manual compared to a dsg.

Manual doesn't bother me THAT much, but if its a lot slower i will stick to my guns. Note my heel toe downshifts are shocking haha

My query is difference in a flat line race or mid gear blast to overtake noticeable? I understand all the concepts of dsg etc and how best to utilize the gearbox so its not a pro/cons thread.

 

[Jet9]

On paper the DSG is 0.3 seconds faster in the 0 - 60 MPH figures.(6.2)
It is effortless and it would take a very competent manual driver to get the stated figures (6.5)

 

[JaysRS4]

The most noticable is under braking easily. No heel and toe, or having to take a hand off the wheel. I could out brake and our corner far quicker cars.

 

[Andrew.]

The most noticable is under braking easily. No heel and toe, or having to take a hand off the wheel. I could out brake and our corner far quicker cars.

100% accurate.
I've driven both (currently have dsg) and the dsg just feels quicker.

 

[Danxr46]

Those times from VW are for 0-62 mph. VW are normally conservative with they're times too as people can consistently get. 5.8 secs to 0-60.

 

[Mrosd]

Its great hearing from people who have driven both, i'm a big fan of DSG due it the jekyll n hyde nature, lazy cruiser or serious tool.

 

[PaulW]

The most noticable is under braking easily. No heel and toe, or having to take a hand off the wheel. I could out brake and our corner far quicker cars.

I like that

 

[dazr32]

We actually have both . I have a Mk Iv R32 manual , the Missus has a Mk vi GTD DSG, both cars are brilliant to drive, I can't fault the GTD in anyway. The difference on the other hand is that you have to drive a manual whereas in a DSG you don't if you know what I mean. The car takes care of the gear changes for you.

 

[dazr32]

What I am trying to say is you don't have to use as much drive craft in a DSG.

 

[N111K JS]

Dsg all the way for me

 

[Easybreeze]

I really need to drive a DSG car one day, I love the idea of it, especially in the mk6 R due to not losing turbo boost through gear changes like it does on the manual (so I read somewhere). But the it's the ability to get off the line fast without preparing which puts me on the side of a manual... I would like to know what the DSG R32 0-62 time is without launch control, as in reality, who ever uses it unless you're actually arranging a drag race? I never prepare to race, it just happens if someone pulls away suddenly and I don't see that a DSG would be as good for that.
IMO unless there is a turbo involved I think the manual is more suited.

An example is the Dartford crossing tolls, it's a quick stop then off again and a very impulsive sprint depending of the person next to you, I can't imagine a DSG would beat the manual in that situation.... as the barrier starts to goes up, revs up and then whoosh!

 

[Andrew.]

I really need to drive a DSG car one day,

I can't imagine a DSG would beat the manual in that situation.... as the barrier starts to goes up, revs up and then whoosh!

In no way do I mean to offend yourself, but that is gross ignorance on your behalf.

You haven't driven one, so you don't have a clue

 

[Easybreeze]

In no way do I mean to offend yourself, but that is gross ignorance on your behalf.

You haven't driven one, so you don't have a clue

If you don't mean to offend, why word it like that?

"I can't imagine a DSG would beat a manual in that situation..." If I am wrong please tell me so I can be informed, I read information and make my judgement from that, so correct me if I am wrong but just saying I don't have a clue, doesn't really help.

I'm not slating DSG as I'd love one due to constant traffic jams etc but I am/was purely speculating about a situation I thought it wouldn't be an advantage over the manual... I don't mind being wrong but it's nice to be corrected rather than offended.

 

[cuprabob]

Obviously you don't need to use launch control to get a quick launch on a DSG car, you just need to plant the throttle.

A good driver may be able to beat the time of a DSG car in a manual car but where DSG wins is it's consistently fast changes irrespective of driver skill. I would imagine few people can beat the DSG shift time in a manual.

In the real world, there is much more to DSG than fast 0 to 62 times.

 

[rtorbs]

If you don't mean to offend, why word it like that?

"I can't imagine a DSG would beat a manual in that situation..." If I am wrong please tell me so I can be informed, I read information and make my judgement from that, so correct me if I am wrong but just saying I don't have a clue, doesn't really help.

I'm not slating DSG as I'd love one due to constant traffic jams etc but I am/was purely speculating about a situation I thought it's wouldn't be an advantage over the manual... I don't mind being wrong but it's nice to be corrected rather than offended.

I think there's enough evidence and vids out there to confirm that the dsg is in fact quicker albeit fractionally. What it does do that a manual will never do is be consistently quick at changing....If I pulled up next to you to race 10 times no two of your starts would be the same through every gear....

Good luck trying to get someone to let you test your theory though.... I've only ever used launch control once and that was just to see.... After all it would be rude not to!

 

[rtorbs]

Obviously you don't need to use launch control to get a quick launch on a DSG car, you just need to plant the throttle.

A good driver may be able to beat the time of a DSG car in a manual car but where DSG wins is it's consistently fast changes irrespective of driver skill. I would imagine few people can beat the DSG shift time in a manual.

In the real world, there is much more to DSG than fast 0 to 62 times.

You took the words right out of my mouth....

 

[cuprabob]

You took the words right out of my mouth....

Great minds.......

 

[CorradoR32]

In the real world, there is much more to DSG than fast 0 to 62 times.

Yup.

Imo, the R32 engine's snappy response was always better suited to the equally snappy DSG. The manual R32 is somewhat ruined by the jerkiness of the soggy mounts and clunkiness of the shift mechanism. The manual is fine for cruising but it really does not like being hurried.

The difference in 0-60 between manual and DSG isn't even half a car length in the real world though. The real difference is better measured over a 1/4 drag strip. For example, I know of a MK2 Golf with R32 DSG conversion that does the 1/4 over 2 seconds faster than the equivalent manual R32 conversion.

I am actually looking into converting my MK4 to DSG. Just thinking of taking the entire drivetrain out of a TT and dropping it in.

 

[Easybreeze]

yeah fair points... I stand corrected

Does anyone know if the comment about the mk6 R not losing boost on gear changes where as the manual does is true? If so that must be a massive advantage... I think I heard it when someone compared a standard mk6 gti with DSG to a manual mk6 R, the R just couldn't get away (might have been USA review so only 260bhp)

Off topic, for all these reviewers that say the R32 or R isn't much quicker than a GTI - try a standing start in the wet

Oh and something against the manual is how many times I mistime the gear change up to second only to end up crunching the gears, highly embarrassing!

 

[rtorbs]

yeah fair points... I stand corrected

Does anyone know if the comment about the mk6 R not losing boost on gear changes where as the manual does is true? If so that must be a massive advantage... I think I heard it when someone compared a standard mk6 gti with DSG to a manual mk6 R, the R just couldn't get away (might have been USA review so only 260bhp)

Off topic, for all these reviewers that say the R32 or R isn't much quicker than a GTI - try a standing start in the wet

Oh and something against the manual is how many times I end up crunching the gears trying to get in to second, highly embarrassing!

Lol so by your own admission you drop gears.... Think you need the dsg

A mapped gti is quicker in the dry... But as bob mentioned it's not just about the speed of the r, it's ttp, linear power delivery, higher standard spec than most gtis, all weather practicality, awesome cruiser for long distance, that sweet sweet sound...... The list goes on