[franko180]

Looks like a good turn out. Decent cars with decent power. 250hp is respectable considering the miles it's covered!

Yeah was a good day out, the rolling road had cars on it from 9 am till gone 6 pm, but I had to leave before the end so didn't see some of the late arrivals such as Farmer and Kieran doing their runs. This engine (so far) seems very healthy, it's a really low mileage lump pulled from a 2004 car (29k), so that's why it had no trouble making those figures.

The graph has the wobbly curve as the standard map has the "Torque Interventions" as standard on the ME7 ECU mapping. After seeing this curve and knowing the 1.8T / K04 has more to give, I booked it in with R-Tech for a remap to also include TIV reduction, to smooth the curve and unlock more power. Updates to come..

 

[watson9003]

What sort of power you thinking of going to mate?

 

[franko180]

What sort of power you thinking of going to mate?

Remember this is the sensible / reliable 'daily' driver so it's not going all out, so just decent K04-023 levels of power, not going any further than that (famous last words).

 

[franko180]

I've not updated this for a while, been busy with other bits and bobs, this is just a small update. So for those who may have skim read this thread, this car is a MK4 R32 with an Audi S3/TT 1.8T BAM engine/ECU installed. When we first installed the Audi engine/ECU there were a lot of problems getting it coded to the original VW R32 instrument cluster/keys and to save time we took a short cut and had the immobiliser defeated to keep the build progressing.

Quite a while later when the car was on the road I contacted a really helpful guy, Tom Walters (he has a user ID on UK-MKIVS of "A3Audi" - http://uk-mkivs.net/user/71705-a3audi/) who said he could re-instate the Immobiliser. He did a great job, personally came to visit the car and assess if he could code it back in but couldn't. He confirmed our suspicions that the immobiliser chip had some type of corruption/hardware issue and then we removed the ECU and he took it away with him to do some bench work on it.

It's a little while ago now and I was away from home a lot back then, so my memory is a bit fuzzy of what happened, but I think to resolve this problem Tom decided the immobiliser chip was toasted and he replaced it with a new chip and then loaded the chip with a default Audi configuration file and then programmed in my immobiliser data.

The photo below shows the ECU split open and the central chip that Tom replaced/reprogrammed.


When Tom returned the ECU it was plug and play, so we could install the ECU, turn the key and it was all good to go. The Immobiliser key symbol illuminated briefly on ignition and went out as it should. A final check was to query the immobiliser on VCDS and check the status, 4 = Immobiliser matched. I'd 100% recommend Tom for anyone in the Midlands with any ECU/immobiliser coding issues, he's helped a couple of people that I sent his way after he did my car.

 

[franko180]

There was no way I was going to drive a turbo charged car for long running a standard engine map

So a trip to R-Tech and a mapping session. Nick checked the spec of the car, but commented that really he'd prefer more air induction though a cone filter and a better inter cooler set up. Based on this he did a "stage 1.5" tune, to keep temperatures down. The twin side mount inter coolers are easily overwhelmed even at this level of tune by the K04 turbo, so he had to map accordingly.




So to repeat earlier details for those that didn't read them, the car's spec was:
S3 / TT 1.8T BAM Engine
S3 / TT "Quattro" gearbox / transfer box
Gen 1 standard Haldex (disengaged for the RR, usually running as standard)
Standard ECU / map
Standard K04-023 turbo
Standard VAG OEM Twin side mounted intercoolers
R32 DSG air intake
Sports panel filter
Badger 5 v2.2 supersize Turbo Inlet Pipe
Pipewerx 3" S3 sports downpipe
Pipewerx 3" S3 sports cats
R32 Milltek 2.5" resonated catback exhaust

The question is, what did it make on the rollers that day?

? BHP
? FT/LBS

 

[PaulW]

280/310?

 

[franko180]

That's actually not a bad guess at all! Not bang on but pretty close

 

[franko180]

So the best peak figures it made at R-Tech for the remap:

275 BHP
314 FT/LBS

The peak run was done with an open airbox as Nick was not happy with the closed airbox and panel filter and, so real world with a closed airbox it's probably 270 BHP. Personally I'm not sure if it's worth having that vacuum cleaner sucking sound from a cone air filter just to get 5 BHP.

The car does need a FMIC because even though it made fairly decent power, Nick was saying that due to heat the mapping is tailored to not hold those peak figures for long and they could be sustained for longer / higher revs with a better set up, so that's something for the future. Can see from the graph below it makes good peak torque but in it's current tune doesn't hold it for too long for safety.

The result at this level of tune is that it does have some really smooth pull from that torque and is a giggle, especially on cold / winter nights, it goes pretty well when it comes on boost. Have to remember this is the "sensible" daily, so it'll do for now

 

[franko180]

Well if nobody is interested in the power then I think this is even more uninteresting - economy

I know nobody buys an R32 for economy but since this car is a bit "different" by running an S3/TT 1.8T engine, I thought I'd share a bit about it's economy.This car isn't a TDi or a 1.4 eco car, but here is the "economy" I've noticed when on the odd motorway run. I wasn't driving to be especially economical, but also wasn't driving trying to set land speed records either, just at the speed limit where possible.

Journey A (Friday motorway traffic - couldn't get over 70 even if I wanted to, bit of stop start on the M1 a couple of times)
1 hour 7 minute journey, 55 miles covered, average speed 49 MPH, MPG = 40.6


Journey B (more normal motorway journey, no hold ups)
40 minute journey, 44 miles covered, average speed 67 MPH, MPG = 41.3


Town driving of course is less economical, but if not sitting in too much traffic I've still had it return 31 MPG by the time I get home on some bits of local driving, I don't live in a city centre, so the car isn't stationary for too long. I'll have to keep my eye on that, not really paid that much attention to the local driving MPG.

 

[matsu]

Morning buddy
So how does 270 feel, in what I imagine a lighter car?
I got my mk5 upto about the same with storm stage2 map and I loved that.
The mk4 feels very different to that!!

My fester does 36-38 mpg around town and upto 45 on runs and I don't hang around so 41 is bloody great economy! All in all the perfect daily.

Till you get bored í ½í¸Ž

 

[franko180]

Morning buddy
So how does 270 feel, in what I imagine a lighter car?
I got my mk5 upto about the same with storm stage2 map and I loved that.
The mk4 feels very different to that!!

My fester does 36-38 mpg around town and upto 45 on runs and I don't hang around so 41 is bloody great economy! All in all the perfect daily.

Till you get bored ������

Forgot to update this thread! I've got some other updates I wrote last year I forgot to put on here, will update it this week. The 270 is good, but it makes that at about 5500 rpm and because it makes 310+ ft/lbs peak torque at a lower 3400 rpm I don't usually rev it out, I'll change gear earlier to ride the torque / boost of the turbo. Anyway that said I don't really hammer this car at every opportunity as its the "sensible" one so I just mosey around in it a lot of the time. There's no escaping that it's not a V6 so has less character and less response in the lower revs before boost kicks in but it's still a nice daily. I'm not bored of it as I have other projects to keep me entertained for proper giggles.

You going to stick with the Fester for your daily?

 

[matsu]

The fester ticks all the boxes for now and I actually enjoy driving it, it's a nippy little go kart.
But I have this real desire to get a bora as my daily. This all depends on the business changes and what my wife decides to do car wise.if she goes big and new then bora bora here we go. If she goes two seater then I'll need to go newer,bigger and boring í ½í¸’

Looking forward to catching up in a few weeks mate?

Matsu

 

[franko180]

Yeah will be good, need to get some parts fitted! Though my Bora is enjoying extra security now, sat in the garage with no steering wheel on it

 

[MJVR6]

Franko, where was the body shop of the M1 that you used?
Looks familiar.. Great build thread btw.

 

[franko180]

Hi Mj, the body shop I used for the bumper was one in the Midlands, I guess no good if you are near London.

 

[MJVR6]

When I saw the Pic of your car in this thread at the bodyshop, Looked the same as the Bodyshop that I use.

 

[matsu]

It works for cyclists lol

Imagining you wandering around supermarket with steering wheel underarm lol

 

[franko180]

It works for cyclists lol

Imagining you wandering around supermarket with steering wheel underarm lol

Suppose it depends where you live and what you drive if it might come to that one day

 

[franko180]

I have a bunch of updates I didn't put on here to bring this thread up to date, starting with..

If you read all of this build thread you might have seen earlier my earlier comment about installing a full FIS (and replacing the faded centre LCD). I've seen a few comments on this forum and on other forums before where people just don't "get" the purpose of the Golf MK4 / Bora full FIS instrument clusters compared to standard clusters. I remember seeing comments on another forum advising other people not to buy them because they are "not worth it", even interrupting sales threads to say to others "don't bother". Harsh! Depends on what you are into I guess, if it's just a "show" style car that doesn't get driven that much then fair enough.

I know plenty of people on here have seen full FIS clusters before, but there are always people relatively new to the MK4 Golf / Bora, so here is a bit of a run down on what a full FIS can offer you that half FIS can't.

So a standard Golf MK4 cluster looks like this -



As the MK4 platform is dating back to the late 1990s the standard type half height cluster LCD centre screen looks pretty basic compared to the displays in modern cars, a full FIS cluster can help to bring it up to date.

Full FIS photos - these a mixture of photos from my previous 1.8T GTi and my R32 / Bora (though the Bora cluster is now also an R32, some of these photos are from when it was still a "sport" cluster).

The basics - FIS menu


Basics - open door display (depending on if your CCM supports it and if you have enough doors

)


General warnings (some of which you don't want to see usually, there are more including oil level / pressure amongst others, luckily I've not seen one of those for a long time..)

Fuel


Washer fluid


Brake pads


Coolant / cooling system


If an OEM radio is connected then the FIS LCD can display the radio station or CD / track number being played.
(temporary cluster I built for my previous 1.8T, R32 style, but has standard 160 mph top speed)


OEM VW MFD satellite navigation, which displays some of the route information on the FIS (and CD / Track number), as below:
(Bora sport 160 mph)

OEM VW satellite navigation can display bars that indicate at which moment to turn, along with spoken directions given by the headunit


The MFD was really handy as I had the TMC unit connected to it, it was combined with a TMC enabled navigation CD so the MFD could receive traffic updates and adjust the route automatically to avoid traffic delays
(Bora sport 160 mph in my old Golf)




Phone kit
If your OEM head unit has some type of phone kit enabled with the "mute" line wired in, when the phone kit is active the radio will be muted and the display will indicate "PHONE".


Advanced Bluetooth phone kit
If you have an OEM head unit that has a more advanced Bluetooth kit installed that can read the phone contact list, it may be displayed on the FIS




Advanced OEM head unit
If you've gone to the trouble of retro fitting a more advanced OEM head unit from another VAG platform / generation then you may be able to view extra information on the FIS display:

MP3 track titles from an SD card


Compass (with MP3 song title above it). The Compass is not that useful usually, but available if needed.
(Bora sport 180 mph)


MP3 track and navigation - again if the head unit supports it (has to be an OEM not an after market) the MP3 track name can be displayed along with route guidance


So I think what it comes down to is that for those people that moan about / don't understand the full FIS display, they probably never connected anything external to it, I guess it would be similar to someone buying a new fancy LED TV but not connecting anything to it and then moaning about it

. It probably also depends how much you drive and if having extra information displayed is useful or not. My car is a daily and gets driven all over the place so it's pretty useful for me. Hope that helps anyone wondering if a FIS cluster is worth having or not

If not, I have a couple more FIS display related updates to come...

 

[AshR32]

So.. what would it cost me to change to full fis? i'm guessing a fair bit?