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There are different ways to do it.

1) Buy a full FIS R32 cluster and code it to your car - these go for £250 - £300+ second hand,

2) Get a new one from VW, I've not asked at a UK VW / TPS outlet but a European guy told me that VW charge 800 Euros to supply a full FIS R32 cluster (in exchange for a bad / faulty cluster) and they charge 1200 Euros for a new cluster if there is none to exchange for it.

3) Build an R32 full FIS using parts from an R32 half FIS and a standard MK4 full FIS, problem here is that a lot of full FIS clusters now have issues with the centre LCD, they are up to 15 years old and many have failing / faded / dead LCDs, so often you have to factor in replacing the centre LCD as well. Luck of the draw with that one.
 

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There are different ways to do it.

1) Buy a full FIS R32 cluster and code it to your car - these go for £250 - £300+ second hand,

2) Get a new one from VW, I've not asked at a UK VW / TPS outlet but a European guy told me that VW charge 800 Euros to supply a full FIS R32 cluster (in exchange for a bad / faulty cluster) and they charge 1200 Euros for a new cluster if there is none to exchange for it.

3) Build an R32 full FIS using parts from an R32 half FIS and a standard MK4 full FIS, problem here is that a lot of full FIS clusters now have issues with the centre LCD, they are up to 15 years old and many have failing / faded / dead LCDs, so often you have to factor in replacing the centre LCD as well. Luck of the draw with that one.
Ah ok, I think when I looked the other day, a new R32 full fis was around £400, ill check again monday.

So either way though it's going to be a fair amount of money, I was thinking if it'd be around £100 it would be worth doing but probably couldnt justify the £300+ :L
 

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Very interested in the full FIS, always thought it looked better over standard, knew some of it features but you've opened up a load more than i knew! Will be keeping an eye out for one in the future. Sorry if you've covered this aleady, did all golfs with mfd from factory get full FIS as standered? Mine has nav and half FIS which makes me think the previous oweners added the nav themselves. Nore do i have the vw nav manual. Also this TMC unit? Is it easy i get hold of and fit? Hadnt herd of thus before.
 

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Very interested in the full FIS, always thought it looked better over standard, knew some of it features but you've opened up a load more than i knew! Will be keeping an eye out for one in the future. Sorry if you've covered this aleady, did all golfs with mfd from factory get full FIS as standered? Mine has nav and half FIS which makes me think the previous oweners added the nav themselves. Nore do i have the vw nav manual. Also this TMC unit? Is it easy i get hold of and fit? Hadnt herd of thus before.
Yup Golf's that had the MFD factory installed had a full FIS display. Also with standard MK4 Golf / Boras, if they had a MFSW fitted from the factory they also got a full FIS installed by default from new. The TMC unit generally came with Passats and AFAIK they weren't installed in any MK4 from the factory. You need the correct version of the TMC to work with the MK4 MFD, and an extra wiring loom to hook it up to the MFD. In the case of the "G" version of the MFD a TMC was necessary to allow the MFD to connect to a full FIS display. If you have a "D" version of the MFD you can connect 3 wires between the MFD and the instrument cluster to get the extra info displayed on the FIS (generally a MK4 that didn't have a full FIS installed from the factory won't have any wires from the radio unit connected to the FIS).

Hope that lot isn't as clear as mud
 

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Not updated this for a while, so thought I'd try and bring it up to date. I'll put the updates roughly in order, but some things might jump around a bit if they are on the same subject. The thread was always playing catch up to the car so now it's about 2 years out of date! The last 'wheel update' on here showed it running BBS CH wheels (pictures were from 2014), so the wheel update:

(March 2014)

Not long after the car was on the road I fitted my BBS CH 002 wheels, though it looked good, this car is a daily and I didn't want to beat those wheels up so I decided to get the car rolling on standard MK4 R32 OEM alloys. Typical luck states that I couldn't find standard R32 wheels for sale when I wanted some and the only ones that came up locally were some rough ones that had been badly hand painted in a dark bronze paint. Since this car is a daily, even if they didn't refurb perfectly, they would be okay for the job.

One of the wheels on the original owner's car
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Didn't take any pictures of them before they were refurbed but found some where I was using them as a temporary 'table' to lean on whilst doing some cutting with a jigsaw :)
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Got some Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 tyres
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New centre caps
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Back from a power coat refurb and ready to go on the car
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Weight check including the Goodyear tyres... 21.4 KG, not the lightest wheels I've had, but not likely to buckle either.
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Fitted, 15mm rear spacers, 10mm front spacers, standard height suspension, I know I know :) No lows, need a car I can use and not have battles with speed bumps / car park ramps and all that shizzle, I just like to be able to drive it.
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So back in February I entered an update on here about full height instrument cluster displays, I was going to follow it with an update about one of the more interesting uses for the display - using it to display engine temps, voltages, boost pressure etc with a "FIS-Control" module, I fitted this in 2014.

Back when I first had a full FIS screen on my old front wheel drive 1.8T I always thought they've had the space to display some useful information, but the MK4 doesn't do it natively. How about stuff like Oil temperature (so you know when the engine is up to temperature so you can push it a a bit more?), coolant temperature, EGT, boost pressure etc? There are a few different ways of getting that information to display on a MK4 FIS, but I went with the FIS-Control module as I can adapt it to play nicely with the Sat Nav in my Bora so they both can output to the FIS without trouble. Bora aside, the "R18" also is a nice place to install a FIS-Control.

I've seen a couple of posts on forums about this unit before, but they didn't really have much detail on them and seem to be more impressed than anything about the FIS-Control having the ability to display the old Nokia phone game "SNAKE" on the cluster, what a waste! FIS-Control has a lot more uses than that. I probably went over the top with this write up, but at least you can see a bit more detail about the unit for a change.

Basically the device plugs inline with the instrument cluster (obviously has to be a full height cluster display) and it reads measuring blocks from the various modules/sensors in the car, the same way that VCDS or a blue tooth "dongle" does.

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Here is what I've chosen to do with mine. One of the main things was to program the "PRESETS" so that it will display useful information at the top of the centre LCD in place of the radio information (though you can revert back to Radio / CD /Track info if you want to anytime). With current firmware it's possible to configure 9 different presets, I've changed them a few times but currently have:

Oil temp: I like the idea of being able to see the oil temperature, so that when I first start off I don't thrash a cold engine. What I noticed here is that though the water temperature can get up torwards 90c, the oil temperature is slower to get near that level, so it's good to keep an eye on the oil temp and know its warmed up before pushing the loud pedal harder.
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Coolant temp is interesting, shows how the VW cluster gauge is "averaged" and always sits at 90c even if the water temp is really nearer to 100c, as its within acceptable limits so VW calibrated the gauge not to move above 90 unless the water is over their accepted normal operating temp, saves people being panicked and calling VW I guess. Some people like to recode their instrument cluster to a 'true' temp display, so it rarely sits at 90C but I prefer the VW "averaged" default display that basically warms up to 90C and sits there and only moves if there is a fault or issue. Pretty nice to have the FIS-Control display the 'real' temp if I want to see it. The car hadn't moved all day on the photo below, so the coolant is about the same temp as the outside temp.
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Fuel level: Can display in Litres or Gallons, I hoped it would display 60-62 litres when the car is totally full (R32 / 4-motions have larger fuel capacity), but it never does, even if I "vent" the fuel cap and brim it right up, most I've seen it display is 53 litres. I believe this is because the fuel reserve is approximately 8 litres or a little over, so that means 53 "ish" litres is about right as presumably the fuel level sensor doesn't measure the reserve to discourage people from pushing the car until it totally runs out.
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Battery Voltage: This was really useful earlier in the year when I was sorting out some electrical problems with the Bora and found that even with the engine running I was sometimes only seeing 11.9v when it should be upper 13v or over 14v.
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RPM: I don't have this view now as a preset as I combined it with the coolant temp on another view.
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MPH: On my car with the standard wheels and correct tyres, the speed is pretty accurate compared to GPS, not sure if this is the case when up to higher speeds on the "private road", still not tried that yet. I have switched to this a few times when I'm driving through average speed camera zones so I can set the car on the cruise control and just get a easy view of the speed I need to stick to.
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BOOST: don't leave home without a turbo. Great to see if you are still making decent boost in PSI / Bar (selectable).
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EGT: can read temps from the lambdas, nice to see if the map on the car is going to melt something or not
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MAF: can use this to make a fair estimate of the car's BHP (though doesn't work on R32 Turbo engines as the readings top out at approximately 220 mg/s which is way short of their true max, pity)
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Intake temp: Nice to know if the intercooler(s) are keeping inlet temps down to make more BOOST ;)
I think on this photo the car had been stood running for a while as that temp is quite high compared to the outside temp.
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It's possible to choose how the information is displayed, the information I showed above is on "Preset / Board computer" view, which puts it at the top of the FIS in place of the radio / CD. FIS control can also display it as measurements / graphs and even set thresholds and timers against the measurements.

So with a bit of setup, MPH can be displayed as a measurement / timer view, setting the timer to trigger / start at 0.01 mph and stop at 60 mph, this gives a fair stab at a 0-60 timer! Same again for 30-70 mph or 0-100 mph. Very cool. Probably not as accurate as a Vbox but a good general indicator and very easy to operate, no user error as it stops and starts based on measured speed. The "66" displayed below is the max speed reached on that session, but the timer would have started when it measured the car moving at 0.01 mph and would have stopped at 60 mph, so this attempt did 0-60 in 5.86 seconds.
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Another go at it made 5.73 seconds.
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Another useful thing on the measuring screen is to view the MAF reading, if viewing the MAF, it will show the highest / lowest reading until you reset it or exit that view, so if you do a "Wide Open Throttle" run in 2nd or 3rd gear, you can get a maximum MAF reading for calculating a fair estimate of the car's BHP.
Measurement view showing peak MAF reading for that session: 217.64 G/S this equates to approximately 272 BHP.
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Different views - the measurements of a measuring block can be displayed in different ways -
Boost as a graph:
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Bit of an action shot so camera fail!
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Boost as a gauge:
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Boost as a measurement (will show max values for that session until reset, so the max boost on that session was 21.77 PSI):
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Boost as a single measurement
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One of the other things FIS-Control is useful for is displaying any errors (Diagnostic Trouble Codes) and their meanings and it even has the ability to clear them, so if you have a Malfunction Indicator Lamp illuminated you can instantly check the error and attempt to clear it, without needing VCDS.
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A sequence for viewing a DTC code and then clearing it. I did have a persistant error a while ago on the Bora, which I could clear with FIS-Control.
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Finally for those that aren't interested in any of the above measurements, the FIS control can display a startup logo and can store up to 9 for you to choose from. There are some available online, but since it's a personal thing about what to display on the car, I designed my own, here are some of them:
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I know, I know, there's no such thing as an R18, but this is the closest you're likely to see right? ;)

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So a bit more (ok a lot more) about the FIS-Control:

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It has a row of external connections that allow optional sensors to be connected, for example an R32 doesn't have have a MAP / Boost sensor so if the car is turbo charged it allows an external boost sensor to be wired in. Or things such as extra EGT sensors or oil pressure sensors. It also has relay connections, so external devices can be switched on and off from the FIS-Control menu.
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The FIS-Control also has the ability to take and store logs, similar to VCDS. This means it can be set to read measurement blocks from the ECU (for example logging boost or MAF) and store them, which can then be downloaded to a laptop either via a serial connection or Bluetooth, I tested it using Bluetooth as below:
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It's a similar procedure to send custom logos to the FIS-Control, again I use Bluetooth to send the logos to the FIS-Control
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FIS-Control has good support from the original developer and he produces regular new firmware updates, sometimes for slight bug fixes or to add compatibility to the unit for other cars or to add extra features.
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The developer has produced a really handy phone app to update the FIS-Control firmware over Bluetooth, works well, I've used it twice.
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There are a couple of new features were released in 2015 by firmware updates that I've configured on mine. Normally when scrolling through the preset displays (single measurements displayed at the top of the FIS with the trip computer still displayed beneath), as each item is scrolled past the unit normally displays "Connecting" as it connects to the selected measuring block. One of the new updates allowed for the text to be customised so it shows a descriptive name for each preset as they are selected. This feature is described by the developer as "Quick Access" labels (German to English translation). It was added to the FIS-Control firmware in August 2015.

So normally it would display "Connecting" and then display the preset, but if you have 2 or 3 items setup that are temperatures, it's easy to get mixed up about which is which.
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After the update and with some user configuration it can now display custom text as below, so it describes which measuring block the FIS-Control is about to connect to:
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Another update is that when entering a measurement view, normally it displays a block of four measurements with no text to describe each line. It's now possible to label measurement views with custom text, so it's easier to understand what is being viewed. This update was referred to by the developer as "Show measurement name", or that is the German to English translation anyway. Was added to the firmware in July 2015.

With older firmware (or newer firmware if not configured), a measurement view might look like this, a block of four measurements but no description.
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With latest firmware and some user configuration a measurement view might look like this - the values are labelled:
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All of the above has to be configured, the manufacturer can't configure the presets or views "out of the box" because FIS-Control is designed to work on multiple VAG platform cars and this means some will have different sensors, some are turbo charged, some are normally aspirated, some have sensors that are accessed through different ECU measurement blocks, so the unit has to be shipped unconfigured and it's down to the user to set it up and choose what blocks they want to see and if/how they want to label them.

A lot of the setup can be done in the car on the menus, but some of it can only be accessed by the "FIS-Control Konfigurator" web interface. It's better to use the Konfigurator (German) as it's an easy web interface. Once configured it can be uploaded over Bluetooth or serial cable to the unit.

The default Konfigurator looks like this:
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With a bit of translator action and effort and a Konfigurator setup might look like this (from my Bora):
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Finally..

with FIS-Control you can play the old Nokia game of "Snake" on the instrument cluster...
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Cheers James, there's plenty of space inside the lower dashboard area, the place above the pedals. Only thing with mine was that the supplied cables were a bit short at the cluster end which was a nuisance to push them out of the way when pushing the cluster back into position. Since I bought mine the guy producing them licensed them to another company to produce and I'm guessing they might have lengthened those cables a little to make hiding them easier.
 

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Cheers James, there's plenty of space inside the lower dashboard area, the place above the pedals. Only thing with mine was that the supplied cables were a bit short at the cluster end which was a nuisance to push them out of the way when pushing the cluster back into position. Since I bought mine the guy producing them licensed them to another company to produce and I'm guessing they might have lengthened those cables a little to make hiding them easier.
That makes sense... something else to add to the to-do list! Cheers.
 

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Definitely a good write up about the FIS control unit. Wasn't too fussed about reading live data as I've got a plethora of gauges for that but the diagnostics aspect has definitely won me over. Nothing more annoying than when the car throws a code up when you're miles from home. Just isn't practical to carry the VCDS cable/laptop around.
 

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Yeah I know some people prefer the analogue gauges, good for instantly seeing whats happening, but the FIS-Control is a nice option for people wanting to look a bit more stealth with no extra gauges on the dash. The diagnostics is useful, I didn't actually have it setup 100% correctly when I took these photos a couple of years ago:

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There's an extra file that I should have uploaded to the FIS-Control that would enable it to properly display the meaning of the DTC codes (IE which sensor/fault 16804 is referring to). I've got updates to add about it.
 

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Whoa! Amazing stuff right there!
Ay up Rich, yeah its really useful to have this in the car. I probably put too much detail on this thread about it, just got a few more bits to update about it. I fitted the FIS-Control a couple of years ago, but just to add a bit more info about it, this update is from 2016:

So after having no running problems with the car for over 2 years, I had an engine MIL and traction control MIL illuminated on the dashboard in February 2016. I don't like driving with any warning lights, so no messing about, checked for DTC on the FIS-Control and found the MAF had failed. I'm not surprised, as it's one of the few parts that didn't get swapped on the engine when it was installed. I know this is common knowledge but that are always people new to the MK4 so just for those people, a common side affect of a failed MAF is (for cars with ESP) for the ESP to also fail and illuminate the traction control warning light. The ESP takes an input signal from the MAF, so if the MAF is failed, the ESP system also fails.

The difference here with the display of the fault on the FIS-Control is that I had uploaded a "labels" file that contains all the error codes descriptions, so instead of only displaying an XXXXX error "signal too low / too high", it could now display detailed error messages, in this case that it was a MAF problem.

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Also had a look at the fault with VCDS as well, but it wasn't necessary really.

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Again for anyone that's never seen it, to remove the MAF, just remove the two screws on the "windscreen" side of the air box lid, undo the screw joining the air hose to the MAF and the air box lid can be lifted off with the MAF attached.

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The MAF just pulls out of the air box with a bit of gentle wiggling

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I did all of this in the car park outside the local TPS so I could exchange the MAF there and then. VW / TPS do an exchange deal where you are supposed to pay a fairly sizeable deposit to get the MAF and they refund the deposit when you bring your faulty MAF back in, so to avoid it I did the swap out in the car park. When it comes to sensors I only use genuine VW parts, I've seen too many stories of people using budget sensors and still wasting time with problems afterwards because of trying to save a few $.

New Vs old (13 years old, so no surprise it gave up) on the desk in TPS:

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I had been running a piper cross panel air filter, which I bought ages ago, I'm not sure if it's oiled or not (the purpose of the oil is to trap dust but some people argue that it can contaminate the MAF sensor), so I ditched it and fitted a standard paper filter.

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All put back together.

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Cleared the faults with FIS-Control, started the car, and no more warning lights and all errors cleared.

Probably not that helpful on this "3.2" forum as this is for the 8L S3 / TT 225 1.8T BAM engine, but here are the part numbers:

MAF: 06A906461MX
Filter: 1J0129620

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As always franko, love reading about all the things that can be done with the FIS-control. Alot of it goes over my head, but it just amazes me what can be done with what's now a aging car,Even though I realise all the hard work is the programming of that control unit, knowing the technical and that FIS display we see is purely and pixel screen, just brilliant it can show so much! Very interesting stuff.
 

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Great write up Franko.
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As always franko, love reading about all the things that can be done with the FIS-control. Alot of it goes over my head, but it just amazes me what can be done with what's now a aging car,Even though I realise all the hard work is the programming of that control unit, knowing the technical and that FIS display we see is purely and pixel screen, just brilliant it can show so much! Very interesting stuff.
I guess my overly detailed write up might have made it look more complicated than it is, but it's not so bad, it does need some setting up, but once its up and running its just like accessing the trip computer on the stalk, its very similar to flick through the different views on it. Have to say its one of the best things I've added to the car, just being able to see the true oil / water temperature live from the engine/ECU at any time is nice, to know the car is running properly and doing the odd scan for errors even whilst driving, I wouldn't want to be without it.
 

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I'm trying to bring this thread up to date and just for a change, a post not about cluster stuff ^_^

So for anyone that didn't read this thread, as a reminder the car was in this state when I first bought it from a breaker in 2013:
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In 2014 it was looking like this:

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It's been a good project and it's nice to have rescued it from being crushed, as it wasn't far off that when I found it :good:
 
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