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There has been a lot of confusion regarding the legality of pressed plates so I thought I'd make a definitive thread for you all. I have covered this topic many times in various posts (http://www.r32oc.com...al/#entry309040) but hopefully this is more comprehensive.

I'll cut to the chase and start with the main conclusion. This is taken from the British Number Plate Manufacturers Association:

http://www.bnma.org/faqs.html

""Can I use a metal number plate?

It is a legal requirement that all number plates offered for sale should comply with BS AU 145d, the British Standard for number plates. This standard is called up in Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 It specifies the performance requirements for the finished product in terms of reflectivity, durability, impact resistance etc and does not stipulate that the product be any particular material as long as the performance standards are met. Indeed, there is a note in the Scope of BS AU 145d which states "Retroreflecting number plates may be manufactured from any material which performs satisfactorily in service, providing the requirements of this standard are met". The vast majority of motorists prefer "plastic" or acrylic faced plates but aluminium plates are clearly permitted as long as they meet the performance requirements.

In addition to complying with the British Standard to ensure product quality and consumer protection, there is also the obligation to comply with other requirements in place regarding font design, spacing etc. This is also set out in The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 (RV Regs 2001).""

BS AU 145d:

This standard is mainly about the construction of the plate. The standard dictates the tests that the 'material' has to go through, and the methods of testing. It covers:

Retroreflective materials, Reflective materials, Marking, Design, Colour, Chromaticity, Reflection factor, Luminance, Dimensions, Layout, Letters (symbols), Digits, Graphic characters, Performance testing, Photometry (light measurement), Bend testing, Artificial weathering tests, Environmental testing, Impact testing, Solvent-resistance tests, Thermal-cycling tests, Thermal testing, Salt-spray tests, Corrosion tests, Vibration testing, Visual inspection (testing), Specimen preparation, Test equipment, Trading standards

If the material passes the tests it can have the 'BS AU 145d' text in the corner of the plate. By having this text, you have adhered to one of the many requirements of the RV Regs 2001.

The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001:

This is the law regarding number plates, and sets out the requirements of the fonts, letter size, and spacing. It is also the document which states things like "you can't mis-space letters, or move letters from one section to another" etc etc.

More info here:
http://www.bnma.org/legislation.html
http://www.legislati...1/contents/made

So we have two things to consider:

1: Does my plate material meet BS AU 145d
2: Do my plates comply with the Road Vehicle Regulations


Here we have a problem. If your plates have the BS standard marked on them, do they really achieve the test. You can't know for sure, so IMO you must buy your plates from a reputable source. Buying from 'the bay' might not be the best place because you may not have any comeback if things go wrong. Part of the manufacturers responsibility is that they have to keep proper records of the plates they make. I bought mine from Dubmeister.

Regarding the Road Vehicle Regs. If you mis-space your letters, put a big screw to make it look separate etc etc you are asking for trouble from the plod. It's your own fault, period.

Plates must have the manufacturer's name and postcode on the bottom below the reg letters. Having your favorite quote there is not permitted, but you could add a separate surround with it on.

The Police:

Sadly based on personal experience a lot of the police are not well informed on the above. Prior to the regs coming into effect Metal plates with fancy letters and non standard backgrounds were all the rage. This then led to a prevailing thought that "all pressed plates are illegal". There weren't any manufacturers of legal pressed plates back then. However, that is now no longer the case, and legal pressed plates are now available.

I hope the above is useful. I can add further info if you feel its required.

Thanks

James
 

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The chances are if you buy from any where that don't require proof you own the reg number then they won't be legal to use on the road.
It is an offence for any where to supply road legal reg plates without them seeing proof.

I am sure it's a £5000 fine for the company.

I got mine through a local agent for Dubmeister and had to take my ID and V5 to them before they would order them.

They came through the post a few days later
 

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James I'm going to take my dubmeister plates off as the tape is not sticking well
I want to use self tapper screws but if I do I will cover up part of the code on the bottom right of the plate
Do you think this is a problem?
 

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Get some good tape Frankie.....mine are held with tape and never had a problem with it.

I think if you cover part on the code then you may have a problem if you get pulled
 

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James I'm going to take my dubmeister plates off as the tape is not sticking well
I want to use self tapper screws but if I do I will cover up part of the code on the bottom right of the plate
Do you think this is a problem?
I have used stainless screws, and as long as you use a small screw, then the BS AU mark is still partly visible you should be fine. You only need small screws mate, its only a light thing they are holding, plus you will use four of them.
 

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Sorry to go off topic slightly, I personally think all this plate legality is an absolute farce my rear number plate is not legal because I made the font bigger than motorcycle font on an import plate actually making it easier to read all the normal spacing is there the only reason I didn't get it made in full size font is that I wouldn't have the 11mm border needed for it to be legal my plan is to find somewhere that can make a plate big enough to fit full size lettering with all the correct spacing and bs numbers and still fit us spec bumper, but I've not had any bother from the police I think it's just if you make it a stupid font or move the spacing about that makes them want to pull you over.
 

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I know what you are saying mate, but its not only fancy lettering, its the fact that they are metal. I got pulled over for nothing. But because I didn't speak submissively to the young copper, he looked over my car and wrote me a producer for having pressed plates which he said were illegal. Thankfully the IPCC helped me sort him out.
 

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James I'm going to take my dubmeister plates off as the tape is not sticking well
I want to use self tapper screws but if I do I will cover up part of the code on the bottom right of the plate
Do you think this is a problem?
ile bring you some tape tonight
 

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Paulie said:
Get some good tape Frankie.....mine are held with tape and never had a problem with it.

I think if you cover part on the code then you may have a problem if you get pulled
It was the stuff from dubmeister Is that not the good stuff
 

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They certainly made the law too complex, they should have just banned the use of non-plastic plates.

Paul
 

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I agree, far too many legal options. With or without Euro portion, optional name of country, use of local flag in a non Euro format etc etc

The point of plates is to allow easy recognition, cant see the point of having so many variables which then cause issues of and debates around legality. One standard format for everyone would have been much simpler.

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You will find that most patrol officers are not really that clued up on intricate details around traffic law, construction and use etc..they have other priorities.....therefore you may be able to have slightly incorrect spacing and a slight variation on text format, and you won't get pulled over. If an ANPR camera can read the plate, then 9/10 you either won't get pulled over, or if you do it will be a case of 'advice'.

You will however have a issue if you take the Michael with your plate, start adding screw covers to make up lines, pushing the text right over etc. it's about a bit of common sense really. This will be spotted by the most inexperienced copper, who will no doubt pull you and give you a ticket for it not being 'as prescribed'

If you do get pulled over, and you know your number plate is not technically legal, don't argue the matter if its raised. The officer is very likely to wish to prove you wrong in this instance, and take photographs and measurements etc. just take the advice and be polite - you never know you might just steer clear of a fine! This is especially true if you are pulled by a traffic officer. They will be in a mondo st / or a Volvo rather than a focus or a Astra and likely be on a main truck road. These guys know the law to a T. Having said that, if you think yours is legal then say so and explain.

All common sense really. In short, if its not too bad, you'll prob be alright. If you've made it look like a different word altogether, probably gonna loose £60 !
 

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You run the plates you take the risk.... I've changed the spacing of my plates bringing the two parts together, everything else is legit, size, standard, background etc but depends who pulls you

End of the day whilst it's still non enforcible you just run the risk of a £60 fine.... only saving grace is there no central dB logging this info, dvla can still apparently seize your plate if they do desired..... Or so said the officer that pulled me
 

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This going to be a sticky? Great thread!
 

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If you do get pulled over, and you know your number plate is not technically legal, don't argue the matter if its raised. The officer is very likely to wish to prove you wrong in this instance, and take photographs and measurements etc. just take the advice and be polite - you never know you might just steer clear of a fine! This is especially true if you are pulled by a traffic officer. They will be in a mondo st / or a Volvo rather than a focus or a Astra and likely be on a main truck road. These guys know the law to a T. Having said that, if you think yours is legal then say so and explain.
I argued the toss with mine....but only because the ticket was written by the time i climbed in his car! Also he stated that I was misrepresenting my plate....I asked him to clarify how exactly bearing in mind that ive not changed the text in any way, just closed the gap, letters are still the same in correct order and doesnt affect how the plate reads etc etc......I also said if Royal Mail took his approach when delivering letters because the post code was displayed as HX48HN and not HX4 8HN say then we'd never get anywhere would we ?! I mean if Im HX4 displaying LS12 then thats misrepresenting.....

He didnt so much like that.....!!
 
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